posted by
benlehman at 01:38am on 11/04/2006
Most painful thing I've had to write in a while
Why? Because I spend a lot of time and emotionally energy in said isolated circles.
Ahw, fuck it all.
Why? Because I spend a lot of time and emotionally energy in said isolated circles.
Ahw, fuck it all.
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"Ah, my friend. We are all prisoners of this world, and prisoners do not always get the best of nutrition."
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I think the analogy would be better if the old man went to te well, came back with a cold bucket of clean, pure water, whipped out his cock, whizzed in it, and then gave it to the other guy.
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--Ben
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Though, you've been wrestling with the similar issue of your personal relationships and critical analysis for theory, right?
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I was pained by what I wrote in that thread, too, but for different reasons. (http://ethan-greer.livejournal.com/12558.html)
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I think sometime pretty soon I'm going to have to start some serious discussion on this. Trying to figure out the right forum for it.
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--Ben
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For whatever it's worth, I do.
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I would argue that the principle we should follow (call it feminism or not) is that all people should have options. In a Western upper-middle-class social stratum, which comprises many gamers, women have dramatically opened their life-course and social options while men still have wide swaths that are highly stigmatized. If I wanted to be a chem professor at Harvard I might face some sexism, but try being a stay-at-home dad.
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And I agree wholeheartedly, all people should have options. In fact, in an optimal situation, all people should have the same options. But even in the middle class, women nowadays face pressures against options: pressures to be career women and raise the kids and take care of the house all at once, for example.
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My comments are specifically nested in the feminist culture that I know Vincent is committed to. Which is not third wave feminism. Does that make things clearer?
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--Ben
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I just spent several paragraphs trying to explain to Tony LB that I value Jess and Mo's opinions MORE THAN OTHER PEOPLE's because they tell me things I'm less likely to hear other places. I realize that other people don't feel the same way, but that's where I currently stand. Yay for diversity.
But you already knew I was a leftist vegan commie hippie pinko.
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This is where it looks like I break with Ben on this. I don't believe that I should value a woman's opinion more highly than a man's -- or treat them differently, either better or worse -- just because they are a woman and we live in a patriarchally-inclined society. That makes no sense to me.
I rank and value different people's opinions differently based on the behavior, history and attitude of the person in question. Not according to their sex, and regardless of the whims of the culture.
(I also find it interesting/ironic to note that the women posting to that discussion found disturbing the idea of having their opinion being given MORE weight because they were women...and then to have the argument arise that one needs to listen to the opinion of women more popping up with disregard for those statements.)
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I'd just like to point out that this is not what I said.
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--Ben
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Huh?? Here's the odd thing. I think that feminism can push the envelope. In fact, I think that commitment to feminism within gaming is likely to push the envelope, because the box that gaming currently is in is pretty non-feminist.
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A lot of women are involved in gaming and have very strong viewpoints. Those viewpoints are, sometimes, wrong. Do you still listen to them?
This isn't rhetorical.
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...it's worth noting that, in my yonically-endowed opinion, a girl who feels "excluded" because of dick jokes or the occasional comment about hot chicks is not a girl I'd go particularly far to *include.* In anything.
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Just wanted to let you know that I wasn't trying to jump on you in Vincent's marginalia. After reading your responses here I think that we may be at least as much in agreement on certain things as not. Communicating in internet snippets just really tends to skew the larger picture of a person's stance, ideas, and opinions.
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Man, I would have taken a totally different tack in discussion, knowing what I know about your cultural background.
Ah, well, live and learn.
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My feeling is that most gamers don't want to talk about this stuff, and that's fine for them. But, I guess, we aren't most gamers?!
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As I said above, it hurts. Just soldiering on anyway.
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--Ben