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posted by [personal profile] benlehman at 01:04pm on 30/06/2005
Hey.

So, apparently, we're having another go at the flag-burning law.

This is sort of puzzling to me. I was always under the impression that the proper rules of respect for the American flag required, among other things, burning it if it ever was soiled (including touching the ground, right?) How does proper disposal of Old Glory fit into the new law? If my flag touches the ground, how can I dispose of it properly and legally?

Of course, proper flag display rules also rule out bumper stickers and flags that just hang out in front of your house day and night, so maybe actual respect for the symbol of the republic has gone the way of the dodo, anyway.
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posted by [identity profile] chris-goodwin.livejournal.com at 05:10pm on 30/06/2005
I haven't seen the language of the current bill, but I imagine it probably specifies all of that stuff.
 
posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 05:35pm on 30/06/2005
It is interesting to me that the flag rules cover a lot of the grossly disrespectful stuff that the modern right-wing does to the poor flag, like printing it in ads or on table napkins or on greeting cards, but it doesn't actually mention flag-burning *at all* except to recommend it as a respectful way to dispose of the flag.

It also seems to me that if your flag has been soiled by, say, a bunch of neo-feudalist autocrats without respect for human rights, human life, human faith, or human decency, that burning it would be a reasonable way to dispose of it. If you were to do so in public, well, it would just be setting an example for everyone else as to how to properly dispose of the flag.

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posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 05:14pm on 30/06/2005
Flag rules (http://www.local387.org/usflagrules.htm)

Check this out:
The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
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posted by [personal profile] evilmagnus at 05:29pm on 30/06/2005
Indeed. You have hit the mother-lode.

But this isn't about the Flag Rules. This is about a bunch of dickheads in Congress having a bit of Bread & Circus for their plebes.

Now, if they just codified the Flag rules into law, with appropriate criminal punishments, I could get behind that. But you try telling an average person that their bumper-sticker of old glory is illegal.
 
posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 05:37pm on 30/06/2005
Interestingly, if the present flag rules were codified into law, it would be possible to arrest a lot of used car salesman and SUV drivers, but no one who burned it in protest. Burning in protest isn't even mentioned at all.

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posted by [personal profile] evilmagnus at 05:51pm on 30/06/2005
Why do you hate America so much?


... and that's why I think this flag-burning thing is so fucking retarded. Those who favor the law clearly know nothing (or care nothing for) about the actual Flag Code.
 
posted by [identity profile] bob-goat.livejournal.com at 05:39pm on 30/06/2005
I had to memorize the proper care of the flag as a boy scout. I remember asking my dad why no one ever bothered to follow the fucking things (had a mouth on me even back then).
 
posted by [identity profile] heyunyi.livejournal.com at 06:49pm on 30/06/2005
I once knew a German exchange student who would blow her nose on American flag kleenexes. But she had no idea that doing so would be considered offensive by most Americans. She liked America, so she figured why not have something you like printed on your kleenexes?
 
posted by [identity profile] conspiratrix.livejournal.com at 05:39pm on 30/06/2005
...burning it if it ever was soiled (including touching the ground, right?)

That's a common misperception. Snopes even has an article about it:
http://www.snopes.com/holidays/flagday/burnflag.asp
 
posted by [identity profile] thickenergy.livejournal.com at 08:00pm on 30/06/2005
On the front page of yesterday's local newspaper there was a picture of a couple old guys burning a flag. Apparently they were retiring the city hall flag or some such so that they could put up a nice new flag. They were out on the sidewalk in their suits with a metal drum full of charcoal briquettes or something. I hope they got the proper burning permit.

 
posted by [identity profile] itsmrwilson.livejournal.com at 11:31pm on 30/06/2005
Let's see, there's some hungry kids over here, but over here there's a flag being burned.

I know what needs our fullest attention!

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posted by [identity profile] pete-darby.livejournal.com at 09:30am on 01/07/2005
So, how many servicemen dead in Iraq? Just checking.

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