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posted by [personal profile] benlehman at 10:37am on 07/05/2005
If I could eliminate one meme from the collective conscious, it would be "god of ______"

It is dumb, ahistorical, amystical, and dumb.

(Okay, fine, I could eliminate hate or racism or homophobia or child rape or some shit. Yeah, I'd probably do that instead. Nonetheless, it is a pretty annoying one.)
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posted by [identity profile] funwithrage.livejournal.com at 07:53pm on 07/05/2005
Er? How's that iffy, exactly?


I mean, unless I and my Classics courses are totally wrong--or, granted, unless they covered it in one of the multifarious sessions I slept through--cultures had gods of stuff. At least, the Greeks did.
 
posted by [identity profile] redcrosse.livejournal.com at 08:03pm on 07/05/2005
>I mean, unless I and my Classics courses are totally wrong--or, granted, unless they covered it in one of the multifarious sessions I slept through--cultures had gods of stuff.

Yes, but saying that Enki is the "God of Water" totally belittles the significance of the god. It cuts out everything the Sumerian people knew about the character of Enki, all the other things he meant (and by corollary, all the other things that water itself symbolized to that culture,) and generally removes any sort of individual character that god may have. When the Greeks thought about Posiedon, they didn't just think, oh, hey, water. They thought about an entire constellation of stories and attributes that together formed a part of their conception of the world, and apart would mean nothing. The "god of" thing is something people say and teach each other about ancient gods to act like they know what they're talking about at parties without actually having any sense what that god's mythology means. It is, in many ways, disrespectful. Enki does not equal Posiedon, in any way, shape, or form, nor the Greek conception of the waters the sumerian one. But by the "god of" formulation, he does.
 
posted by [identity profile] aumshantih.livejournal.com at 08:33pm on 07/05/2005
In many polytheistic faiths, what the Gods are "of" is less important than who they are Mythically and how they interrelate with each other.
 
posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 08:50pm on 07/05/2005
Logos.

yrs--
--Ben
 
posted by [identity profile] redcrosse.livejournal.com at 04:24am on 08/05/2005
>Logos.

Respresent.

If you don't, it will.
 
posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 08:36am on 09/05/2005
You terrify me in a good way.

yrs--
--Ben
 
posted by [identity profile] funwithrage.livejournal.com at 09:05pm on 07/05/2005
Ah. Point, yes.


I do maintain that there's nothing wrong with convenient shorthand, or with noting that both gods were associated with water as a way to then compare and contrast and so forth, but that's sort of orthagonal. You're right that unconscious reduction a sign of not really being familiar with the mythology. Not one of my pet peeves, but, yeah, erroneous.

 
posted by [identity profile] marcus-sez-vote.livejournal.com at 08:14pm on 07/05/2005
"God of Death? Ha! God of Dumb more like it!"

Be well.
 
posted by [identity profile] redcrosse.livejournal.com at 09:24pm on 07/05/2005
In fantasy worlds, there's likely less problem with the formulation, as there's just less going on with the gods in question. I mean, sorry, David, but you just can't generate as much mythology as an entire culture of people. Nothing personal.

Naturally, there IS a problem with people encountering fantasy gods and then assuming that the degree of depth they see in those characters is even vaguely comparable to what's going on with actual polytheistic figures. (Hint: it's not.)
 
posted by [identity profile] marcus-sez-vote.livejournal.com at 09:42pm on 07/05/2005
is even vaguely comparable to...

I don't know about that. I think there are plenty of settings, not just Aralis, where entities described as "Gods" are just as petty, whimsical, and humanized as gods in many "actual" pantheons. I agree that the symbology and depth of these creations may not be at the same level as those that were spawned from actual cultures, but they have some comparison...especially since the "actual" mythos often helps spawn the "fantasy" one.

Be well.
 
posted by [identity profile] russiandude.livejournal.com at 09:51pm on 07/05/2005
I think what he means is that the actual gods have been formed through years of beliefs and associations getting tied together in one form. You can have people worship the same god, but in different ways, or worship different aspects of the same god, or worship an "older" version of the deity and so on. You just don't usually get that kind of detail in games, because that kind of detail takes decades/centuries to come together and about as long to document.
 
posted by [identity profile] redcrosse.livejournal.com at 11:33pm on 07/05/2005
Yup. That's pretty much what I mean.
 
posted by [identity profile] wirednavi.livejournal.com at 07:15pm on 08/05/2005
Synchretism, yo.
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posted by [identity profile] pete-darby.livejournal.com at 08:30am on 09/05/2005
Yeesh, ever play in a Glorantha game with someone who didn't get this?

"Of course Doburdun's the same as Orlanth! They're both the God of Thunder!"

Yeah, just like Zeus is Thor with a platinum blonde wig set and wearing a towel.

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