Dark Estrogen Paladin = Andrew Dice Clay?


Why do we need movements for men? I can understand why the black (and other ethnic groups) needed the Civil Rights movement, and I can understand why Women needed the Women's Movement (I tend to think of Feminism as the extreme fascist form of that...and I know that my rhetoric is not normative in that regard), BUT I don't think that men need a movement or a group to be able to express their feelings on the Rights of Women.

It's their thing, let them do it. If a woman asks me how I feel, I'll raise my fist and say, "You go sister," while smiling as I get back to whatever I'm doing. If a woman asks me to help her in this movement, sure I'll help, but trying to promote women's rights as a man smacks to me of the same arrogance as trying to export Democracy into countries that haven't asked for it.
 
I'm partly inclined to agree with you, insofar as "male identity movements" tend to make me roll my eyes.

On the other hand, I think it's quite possible and legitimate to find the societally expected male gender roles annoying: to say that you don't have to give a damn about sports, that there's nothing wrong with caring about how you look, that you don't have to react all pissy-and-defensive any time a woman knows more about sex or trucks or blowing shit up than you do.

As Ben says, there's not a lot of good ways to express that, though. You've got wanky navel-gazing quasi-Pagans (who don't use deodorant) or you've got lead-eating Fundies who resemble that one Star Trek episode with the "devolution" rays. Or you've got women's rights, which may be the sane-est alternative.

And frankly, the fact that I've just described feminism as the sane alternative kind of scares me, because I've spent the last ten years going "I'm a feminist...but NOT CRAZY, dude, I SWEAR." (See also: die in a fire, Andrea Dworkin.)
 
We could either start a group or maybe call ourselves Metrosexual.

See I like guns, I'm not a fundie, and only like sports that I'm playing in - I could give a damn about other teams or leagues. Although I can understand the draw of soccer. Women can do whatever they want and like. I know that there is too much information for me to ever absorb so there will be plenty of women out there that know more than I do about just about everything.

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