posted by
benlehman at 06:13pm on 27/03/2006
Man, I just can't figure this one out.
I think it's about class struggle, or maybe about guilt of conquest. But then, why the hot/cold/just right business?
I think it's about class struggle, or maybe about guilt of conquest. But then, why the hot/cold/just right business?
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I like sausage. If I'm happy to just eat it, that's enough. But if I want to make my own sausage, I need to learn how sausage is made.
That guy is the guy going "holy shit do you know what's in your sausage panic panic!"
I'm more interested in just making my own sausage.
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It's about gender roles. Now, this assumes that Mama Bear's stuff is Just Right (which is my memory, but I could be reconstructing the story in my head this way):
If Papa Bear's stuff is too hot/hard/prickly, then men have to deal with it.
Baby bear's stuff is too cold/soft/wobbly, then that's for babies...
... but you're growing up and should fit into your role as Mama bear.
Also, in the Grimm's version, they eat her, don't they? That could be read as "Curiosity killed the cat."
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I don't know what the fuck the story's about.
Maybe nothing.
I mean, if you read the Grimm tales, they aren't really morality plays. They're "And then the fox turned into a giant turnip!" tales.
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The Turnip, as told by the Brüder Grimm
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I really think that they tend not to be morality plays. Advice, perhaps, but not moral instruction.
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http://www.edsanders.com/stories/3bears/3bears.htm
Seems a pretty straightforward morality play
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What is the whole business with "too X, too Y, just right" all about? I don't think this version comes any closer to answering that. Is it just "don't question your lot in life"?
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It may, however, just (or additionally) be a way of adding rythym and patterning to the story, and/or the general significance of threes. Remember, it comes from an oral tradition, so stuff may be in there for the sake of making it easy to retell. An awful lot of fairy tales have stuff like that, almost always in threes, in their older versions - I'm pretty sure The Little Mermaid originally had her come to the surface three times; the 12 Dancing Princesses also has a bunch of random threeness (especially the bit with the trees of silver, gold, and diamond); and I know older versions of Cinderella (or Ashputel) have her go to three nights of the ball before the business with the slipper happens. Speaking of Cinderella, there's something rather parallel in the "heel too big/toe too big/fits just right" bit with the shoe.
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But ultimately, it's about a kid going into someone's house uninvited and messing with their shit. Kids do this, and they need to be told not to do it and what can happen to them if they do, in story form. It's pretty obvious that the "message" is "don't go into a person's house and mess with their stuff without asking because it isn't nice and you could be hurt".
If you're asking why the author used X word in X place, and how that unlocks the real meaning of the story, you're overthinking things, you're finding meaningless patterns in the chaos (ala "A Beautiful Mind").
Authors use words and phrases and little snips of life because they are evocative as often if not more than because they have some "hidden" meaning.
Is there some hidden meaning in the whole porridge bit, in the whole bears & girl, and etc. symbolism? Probably not. Can you create a meaning from it by creating patterns of association? Yes.
That doesn't mean the author put it there, however. It is far more likely, by orders of magnitude, that the author chose elements on their aesthetic merits, because the thought interested them, or just for fun, rather than through the use of arcane, usually subjective associative principles.
The proper question to ask, if you want to reproduce things like this, isn't "What does that really mean?" but "Why did that work so well?" because meanings are like ideas: a dime a dozen.