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posted by [personal profile] benlehman at 06:38pm on 02/03/2006
This is about webcomics, to start with, but it makes a larger point.

So Scott Kurtz has a big rant on his webpage in which he hates on fellow cartoonists. For those of you familiar with his comic (or at least, those that read his essay writing), this will not come as a big surprise. Like many people, he's pretty much incapable of restraint online.

Anywhere, here's his site: http://www.pvponline.com/ Go read it now -- Kurtz's rants have a tendency to come down once his foot-in-mouth disease kicks in.

Most of the blathering is just blathering, but there's a particular line I want to draw attention to:

Rather than try to make a name for himself by actually CREATING something, Mr. T. has to piggy-back himself on the webcomics creators out there giving it their all.

T Campbell (site: http://www.tcampbell/ ) (and Kurtz knows this, he's linked to the man before) is a writer. He wrote a very long webcomic series (Fans!) which took a shitty premise and developed it enormously deeply. He writes a couple of other comics right now, as well (Penny and Aggie, which is great, and Rip and Teri, which I don't read.) He also done tons of guest-writing stints and so on.

Kurtz's claim is basically that T isn't really a creator, because he's a writer, rather than an artist. This is actually a pretty odd claim, as Kurtz's writing is a much bigger part of his job than his art (he uses clips) and both of these men are talented writers.

This is essentially recapitulating the culture stereotypes around writing -- that it is easy, that anyone can do it, that writers are really just people with connections so they can get their stuff published, and skill has nothing to do with it. It's basically a crock of shit.

Writing is hard. Writing is a skill. Anyone can't do it. In my little corner of the publishing world (RPGs), I've seen game after game suffer from good designers who are shitty writers (and I'm not going to name names, no thanks. If you want my opinion of your writing, pay me.) To trivialize the writing portion of comics is basically to ignore half the artform, if not more. (A lot of people will read well-written comics with shitty art. Almost no one reads pretty comics with crappy writing.)

It's really upsetting to see this being replicated by someone who is a writer himself.
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posted by (anonymous) at 12:56pm on 02/03/2006
Howdy! I just read the rant. I've met Campbell on the con circuit and he's a great guy, so I don't really approve of said rant, however...
I disagree that him being a writer and not an artist is the point he's making. It seems to me that Kurtz just disagrees about his qualifications to create the book and his summary of webcomic history. And IP issues too.

But you're right. You can't have comics with bad writing. Art has to draw you in to reading the book and writing has you keep you there. I read tons and tons of badly written comics with amazing art...for one issue.
 
posted by [identity profile] jenniferrodgers.livejournal.com at 12:57pm on 02/03/2006
sorry, that was me.
 
posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 01:07pm on 02/03/2006
Yeah, you're right about the main thrust of Kurtz's argument. I was just focusing on the sentence where he dismisses Campbell's 7-year span as a webcomics creator in one blow. Which fucking bugs me.

yrs--
--Ben
 
posted by [identity profile] bar-sinister.livejournal.com at 01:53pm on 02/03/2006
Yeah, I really like PvP, but Kurtz is a serious blowhard. He's also constantly leaping to other people's defense, when said people don't necessarily need or want his protection. He should stick to outrage about slights to his own person.
 
posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 01:58pm on 02/03/2006
Kurtz is a profoundly excellent self-promoter. I have no doubt that his anger is real, but he channels it to excellent marketing purposes in ways I envy.

yrs--
--Ben
 
posted by [identity profile] bar-sinister.livejournal.com at 02:39pm on 02/03/2006
Yeah, there's no such thing as bad publicity, I guess! I'm too nice for this method. I should try to be more abrasive, like Luke, or something.
 
posted by [identity profile] chris-goodwin.livejournal.com at 04:30pm on 02/03/2006
What I got out of that was that Kurtz was pissed because Campbell was using other people's imagery without their permission. Which I thought was kinda iffy for someone who makes as liberal use of other people's IP as Kurtz does, but snakes on a plane.
 
posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 01:15am on 03/03/2006
I'm taking one sentence, extrapolating an undercurrent of meaning from it meaning from it, and talking about that. I'm not talking about Kurtz's main points, which is just internets drama.

yrs--
--Ben
 
posted by [identity profile] nikotesla.livejournal.com at 06:37pm on 02/03/2006
Hi Jenn!

I think what he's saying here is "by using others' work without permission, this guy is hack."

I honestly don't think that he doubts that writing is an art and a craft.

Man, I sure respect it.
 
posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 01:17am on 03/03/2006
Hrm.

I don't know. The fact of the matter is that if Campbell drew, say, Penny and Aggie, I doubt Kurtz would have put that sentence in.

yrs--
--Ben
 
posted by [identity profile] nikotesla.livejournal.com at 01:38am on 03/03/2006
I think you're probably right. It's weird, though; I can't believe that he doesn't respect writing as a craft.
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posted by [identity profile] zigguratbuilder.livejournal.com at 09:22pm on 02/03/2006
I heard a microfiction about Scott Kurtz at GenCon. It went something like:

"I saw him at GenCon in the cafeteria area, and he was eating a pie. Not, like, a slice of pie, but a whole pie. With a fork."

That says absolutely nothing about the rest of the discussion above, but I find it an amusing tale.

-Andy
 
posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 01:18am on 03/03/2006
1) Oh, you didn't read T's post on his blog? He realized his mistake (which was, btw, bone-headed) after Kurtz pointed it out, contacted all the artists, within 24 hours got permission from everyone.

2) Yes. Lo, we have seen this before.

3) No, it wasn't. See my reply to Chris, above.

4) Keryes.
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posted by [personal profile] evilmagnus at 02:29am on 03/03/2006
That is sad; I disagree with Kurtz, but I do think T is too full of himself.
 
posted by [identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com at 12:17pm on 03/03/2006
I respect both of them as artists.

I respect Campbell as a human (everything I've heard about him is about how great a guy he is), but not as a marketeer (he's crass without being effective.)

I respect Kurtz as a marketeer.

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