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benlehman ([personal profile] benlehman) wrote2005-02-22 05:24 pm

Saying "No"

So Dogs in the Vineyard has some great GMing advice, but my favorite piece is from the system, which is that, as the GM, you have to "say yes, or roll dice." The only way you can stop your players is to play fair, with the system. Nobilis does this, too, and calls it the "Monarda Law," I believe. Phrased like that, it goes like this: "Say yes, or say 'yes, but...'" In the more-fiat-than-Dogs-but-still-not-a-lot-of-it Nobilis system, it amounts to the same thing.

This is great advice.



Great advice most of the time, that is.

See, it all depends on what sort of "no."

If, in Dogs, I say "The stakes of this challenge are 'do I build a nuclear bomb,'" the GM has a responsibility to say "no, shut up" to me. Further, in Nobilis, I'm going to constantly be firing off questions about what sorts of ways I can stretch my abilities "Can I use a creation of punctuation to drop heavy iron balls on someone's head? 'cause it's like a period?" Finding the edges -- the "no"s of the system and setting -- can be an integral part of the play experience.

What is the difference between that "no" and the "no" that makes the player frustrated, angry, and feeling ineffectual?

Thoughts?

[identity profile] foreign-devilry.livejournal.com 2005-02-25 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
Read Smerf below. He's nailed my opinion on this one. I'm not trying to say that saying No is necessarily disfuctional (I suspect it usually is, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that the play you're talking about isn't). I'm saying that it fucking sucks. Sure, it might work, but it's an ugly-ass way to play. Especially when you're trying to encourage player agency and participation, having to shoot people down disrupts everything that I find valuable and unique about roleplaying as a medium. Say "Yes." Say "Yes, but..." Say "Maybe, if..." if you have to. But "No" and even "No, but..." just kill the game dead. Despite what you say, "No" isn't about negotiation. "Yes, but..." and "Maybe, if..." are about negotiation. "No" is a fucking brick wall. Play that way if you like, but keep your wrong wrongness to yourself.