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benlehman ([personal profile] benlehman) wrote2004-09-07 08:50 pm

Are we as cool as Shakespeare!

So a fellow, a really good game designer, actually, posted to the Forge recently essentially asking "are RPGs legitimate fine art?" A lot of the responses were comparing it to literature, etc. My response was livid enough that I felt like reposting it here, and I'd be interested in any comments anyone has.

Well, for what its worth, I am a novelist (and, much as I hate to admit it, a poet), and I think what we're producing is far cooler than just more literature. I mean, I am fond of new literature. I read good books and write mediocre ones, and I'm very cool with that and it excites me.

But it is not what we are doing. What we are doing is not "like" fiction writing, nor is it "like" theatre. It is a totally novel artform, although perhaps one rooted in oral traditions and mythic storytelling.

So let's not worry about whether we are as cool as Shakespeare. We are cooler than Shakespeare. The Shakespeare of RPGs will come thousands of years from now, and he will be building on the artform that we are making and defining, right now.

I cannot stress this enough. We are making a new way of understanding and communicating with the world and each other. This is awesome.

The question to ask is not about Shakespeare. The question to ask is about Thoth and Mimir and Odin and Prometheus and Pan and Inanna. Are we (and I use the collective to mean we, all of us, the people who play RPGs) as cool as them, those ancestors who wrent from the stuff of our minds not only new art, but new artforms, who didn't just have something important to say, but an important way of saying that? The people so important that they have become gods?

Are we as cool as them?

Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] redcrosse.livejournal.com 2004-09-07 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, Ben. We are as cool as Inanna. And Inanna? She's cool.

Re: Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 08:24 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know, dude. Inanna apparently invented writing, funerary practice, and oral sex. I mean, are RPGs as cool as funerary practice? Probably. But oral sex?

P.S. Inanna -- the first goth. Discuss.

Re: Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] funwithrage.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 09:24 am (UTC)(link)
See, I'm getting the whole "RPG system as girl" thing now.


Also, you rock. And I wish I'd gotten you to write up an appropriate spiel for the "So, what is roleplaying?" thingiebob for this year's recruitment.


Also, I'd...I don't know if I could cope with a Goth goddess. Are we talking actual gothy gothness or just the asthetic? 'Cause all that moping around...I couldn't deal with a mopey deity.

Re: Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm... I'd totally write up a "So, what is role-playing" thingiebob to keep on file for *next* year.

Well, Inanna isn't really mopey. In fact, she's the least mopey ever. But she has this whole "I am mighty because I spent countless time hanging skinless from a wall in the underworld" thing going on. It seemed sort of gothlike to me.

yrs--
--Ben

Re: Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] relevance.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
hanging skinless from a wall in the underworld

I think I saw that kind of thing going on at a goth club once, yeah.

Re: Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I clearly need to hang out in goth clubs more often.

yrs--
--Ben

Re: Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] relevance.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
Whatever, Ereshkigal could kick her ass any day of the stone calendar.

Re: Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, we've already been over this one, like, five millenia ago. Yeah, Erishkigal is tough, but Inanna was just faking that whole "skinless and hanging on a wall thing" so she could learn the Meh of the underworld. Don't go digging up old fights. Inanna won that fair and square.

yrs--
--Ben

Re: Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] relevance.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but Inanna totally cheated! And don't give me that bullshit about how the winners make the rules in mythic conflicts of interest. Inanna lost, she just suckered Dumuzi into taking the fall for her.

Re: Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Ohmygod. I canNOT believe that you brought up Dumuzi. He is so, like, ancient history.

Re: Cool as Inanna

[identity profile] relevance.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't make me get all Enkidu on your archaeomythical ass!