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benlehman ([personal profile] benlehman) wrote2009-07-06 10:44 am

Reading a report on religious practice and science

Reading a report on religious practice and science for a class presentation.

Interesting things:
* Around %50 of scientists at top-level American universities report having religious beliefs. Around %70 say that they have some "spirituality."

* The "hard sciences" report more religion than the "soft sciences" report more religion than the "social sciences." The least religious science is psychology. The most is chemistry.

* Scientists are less religious than the population as a whole. The only Christian denomination represented more among scientists than the population at large is "liberal protestant." Several minority religions are over-represented among scientists by 2-3x : Jews, Buddhists, and Hindus. If you consider Atheism a religion, it is also over-represented, about on the same scale as Judaism, Buddhism, and Hinduism.

I'd really like to see a cross-comparison by social class and income bracket, but the study didn't have one.

[identity profile] moreocean.livejournal.com 2009-07-06 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not calling the human race cancer, just that small cluster of folks who have managed to cut themselves off from the interconnectedness that every other being on the planet feels. They have a lot of power in the world at this time. But whether of not the greater body survives, the cancer always dies. From an evolutionary perspective, our situation is one of natural selection beginning to regulate of capacity for selfishness (which we need some of, but not too much.) If we can't head off the coming climate-driven war-disease-famine, the mostly likely scenario is that a few human being will survive, their descendants will build up again over hundreds of years, and then we'll try the whole thing again. (The Hindu concept of Karma, as I understand it, dovetails nicely with evolution: you keep repeating the same scenario until you get it right or make it worse.)

To carry on the cancer analogy, the solution to the crises of the 21st century is to engage our destructive institutions and convince the people inside them that their only survival is in abandoning their blood-rich isolation and to be reabsorbed into the older, slower, poorer, healthy function of the surrounding body, which is, with equal validity, their society, their species, and their planet.

It's all there in the sermon on the mount, or the eightfold path, or Rumi and Hafez, or the annelects. As I said, a keener instrument in some ways.

[identity profile] graypawn.livejournal.com 2009-07-07 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
or Bill and Ted, "Be Excellent to one another."

everything you just said is awesome.

[identity profile] moreocean.livejournal.com 2009-07-07 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
I would vote for Bill and Ted.

But don't short the nuances of religion. Our ancestors learned a lot of hard lessons and wrote about them.

"What comes up must come down," is enough gravitational theory for most situations.

But Newton is more wonderful.

And Einstein is really getting somewhere.

[identity profile] benlehman.livejournal.com 2009-07-07 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
That's the great divergence theory, anyway.

I'm not sure I buy it. Malthus ... was a moron in many ways.

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--Ben